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pixelbomb1's picture
pixelbomb1
2555 pencils

I take offense in this ad. what a generalization. wow. people you need not to be so narrow minded. tsk, tsk, tsk. a mexican newspaper but all illegals wants to come to the U.S.

Sincerely,
Arnold Santillan
714-206-2459

Rog's picture
Rog
6094 pencils

Are you offended by the use of the VT gunman... or the Mexican illegals?

>>>> That's not an ad. THIS is an ad.

pixelbomb1's picture
pixelbomb1
2555 pencils

the whole concept. using Uncle Sam as a killer? there's more to the story than this. that person is a pyscho he blames the rich for his opression and women.

Sincerely,
Arnold Santillan
714-206-2459

Disco Munky's picture
Disco Munky
3900 pencils

That's not what they're saying, but I'm glad you're ready to lynch someone.

Uncle Sam isn't the killer, he represents that image of America that they (you?) are so keen to project to the rest of the world.

The key word in what you're said seems to be "psycho" when it should be "oppression". I'm not saying that you should blow all your problems away with automatic weapons (something that Americans themselves should maybe listen to), but does that mean that the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune should be suffered gladly or by opposing could you end them? To paraphrase the Bard somewhat.

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pixelbomb1's picture
pixelbomb1
2555 pencils

i know what the ad is trying to imply. i get that. and please don't put words in my mouth "lynch". I am just upset how the liberal media shows only what is bad happening instead of focusing what is good. People who does not live in the U.S. think U.S. is bad, we are out to get you. for once try living here and experience the abundance of life. the country where i can worship my GOD can you do that in any other country? can you make as much money as you can as long as you work hard? buy house a nice car? hospital, best doctors, surgeon?. Some of the best doctors are Indian from India and they here. Some of the great businessmen are Arabs they are here. so before anyone pass judgement on anybody, race, color or whatever please think twice. Thank You.

Sincerely,
Arnold Santillan
714-206-2459

Disco Munky's picture
Disco Munky
3900 pencils

Whatever dude.

I saw on the news that some folk wanted to build an Islamic school so the owner of the land around them started racing pigs (actual pig races, can you believe that?) to offend and keep them away. That sound like a country that you can worship your GOD? Hospitals are only available to those with enough of that hard earned cash that everyone has there right? I could go on.

It's thinking like that, that is the problem. Nice to know you don't plan on changing none.

Yeeeeeeehaw!

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pixelbomb1's picture
pixelbomb1
2555 pencils

there you go.. "NEWS". why don't you come here and see for yourself go to Chicago. FYI I am a middle class citizen and can afford doctor/hospital that is why you work and employers pay for the deductibles. Illegal immigrants when they get hurt we don't ask questions how much money you have before treating you. If we see someone in need or hurting we help.

http://www.savethechildren.org/newsroom/2007/american-idol.html

$30 Million raised to help children around the world.

Sincerely,
Arnold Santillan
714-206-2459

Disco Munky's picture
Disco Munky
3900 pencils

WOW! You just won't quit. You're wrong on all counts.

1. I have been there. A few times. I was searched by a man with a gun at the airport. FYI, I've been to Indonesia, where the punishment for smuggling is death and I wasn't treated half as bad as I was In the States.

2. You understand that there are hard working people that aren't illegal immigrants who can't afford health care right? They're the people that cut your middle class grass. Pay attention.

3. Illegal immigrant gets hurt. INS sends him home before he dies. Am I wrong? If so, how wrong? I'm not wrong.

4. Biggest nation on the world raises $30 million for kids. That's less than 25cents per citizen. For such a bunch of hard working affluent (means you have money not that you have gas) people, that's pretty lame.

I also think it's hilarious that you said "there you go.. "NEWS"." as if "NEWS" means lies....hmm that's a grey area.

Think before you reply to this.

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pixelbomb1's picture
pixelbomb1
2555 pencils

is bin laden your neighbor? look man if you did not do anything wrong youre back where you are right now. Gun ponited at me all the time I work in COMPTON, CA.

smuggle here you will be treated the best you can even in prison. you get roof over your head, 3X meal, you can work out. better than being dead. pay your dues to society then you will be free again.

BTW smuggle what in Indoinesia?

Sincerely,
Arnold Santillan
714-206-2459

Disco Munky's picture
Disco Munky
3900 pencils

When faced with an argument that you can't win, ask if they support Bin Laden. Smooth move.

You should be President.

Tard.

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pixelbomb1's picture
pixelbomb1
2555 pencils

sorry i don't get enough vote.

Sincerely,
Arnold Santillan
714-206-2459

pixelbomb1's picture
pixelbomb1
2555 pencils

why don't we just say lets smoke a hooka and drink coffee. We live in this un perfect world. so now I wll stop. That was fun B.A. Bidadi. and I am soory to offend you or anybody else for that matter. Now let's grab our crayons and paint the whole world with beautiful pictures.

Sincerely,
Arnold Santillan
714-206-2459

Ika's picture
Ika
18 pencils

This is just stupid. There's being provocative, then there's being narrow minded and dumb. There's no question that this is the latter.

Rog's picture
Rog
6094 pencils

Well, that puts it out there, doesn't it? Thanks Ivan.

>>>> That's not an ad. THIS is an ad.

Steeef's picture
Steeef
135 pencils

Tasteless...

A. J. SMITH's picture
A. J. SMITH
2838 pencils

Fucksake, what a childish thing to do.

Provokes thought right enough, doesn't do that papers credibility much good in my opinion though, and that Korean guy (sorry can't remember his name) is still very fresh in the memory, I'm sure a lot of people are still trying to figure out exactly what happened there.

Seems awfully inappropriate to use him for commercial gain so quick.

I'm not from the US myself, but it seems a shame that every man and his dog feels its open shooting day on the States these days.

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Shut Theory's picture
Shut Theory
515 pencils

i dont even understand the ad, seems like something happened recently that give this ad the sense? anyway, that wallpaper :) i like it

Dick Huges's picture
Dick Huges
939 pencils

This is terrible and should not be in this website or in any other media. People using a massacre to sell what they want is wrong and just show how stupid some people can be in this business.

ivan's picture
ivan

I understand your point, but it is here, so we can discuss it, not to promote it.

Ivan Raszl, admin of AotW

indie's picture
indie
506 pencils

I found the ad quite smart. Hey, it’s just making a point: to tell us that people like Seung-Hui Cho, -the killer of Virginia Tech- is a reflection of some mistakes of the american way of life. The fact of being a medium allows it to say an opinion. That’s all…
By the way, there are other ads of the same campaign:

http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/milenio_diario_zinedine

http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/milenio_diario_evo

http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/milenio_diario_chavez

http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/milenio_diario_schwarzenegger

http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/milenio_diario_bush

INDIE

pixelbomb1's picture
pixelbomb1
2555 pencils

American way of life? have you ever lived in the States? He's not even a American he's is Korean been here 2 years. come on now.

Sincerely,
Arnold Santillan
714-206-2459

indie's picture
indie
506 pencils

Hi, I don't want to discuss with you, specially because your first comment was kind of racist.

I just want to say that I have bad news: first of all, the shooter, Seung-Hui Cho, was a South Korean who had moved to the U.S. at age 8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

Second, the fact that I'm not aN american (by the way, your English is not so perfect for being aN american) doesn't care: they are a list of school massacres that occured before in the U.S.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platte_Canyon_High_School_shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting

The ad just make us think about americans and their relationship with guns... that's all. And please, is better to be informed before to say an opinion, don't you think?

INDIE

PaulyG_fill in the blank's picture
PaulyG_fill in ...
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I'm not american either, but I disagree with your logic. This is an ad to sell a newspaper, not a Public Service announcement against guns.
And if you've seen news coverage from other countries, the United States is certainly not the worst offender when it comes to guns. I can't count the images I've seen of kids in middle eastern countries waving guns around like they're toys. And I realize that the media is not objective when covering these countries, but it's what we see.
Secondly, this tragedy just happened. This is blatant exploitation of a horrible event, for the sake of selling newspapers, and it doesn't even make a good selling point - who cares if this kid was here since he was 8? Comparing him to Uncle Sam is just ridiculous. This was done for one purpose - to turn heads.
Thirdly, I don't understand why you're pointing out other shootings in the US.

Bigbird's picture
Bigbird
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Hey PaulyG, how many cases have you heard about massacres happening in mideast schools?

PaulyG_fill in the blank's picture
PaulyG_fill in ...
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You're not serious are you? Take out the word schools and then ask yourself that question again. I think this goes beyond schools. This is about senseless violence and the lack of respect for human life. This is certainly not a problem that is unique to the United States.

Disco Munky's picture
Disco Munky
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"And if you've seen news coverage from other countries, the United States is certainly not the worst offender when it comes to guns."

Are you being serious?

Why do you think those kids are waving guns that America sold them around? Did I just answer my question?

But that isn't the only factor here, America is a nation in trouble, and these sorts of things are just going to keep happening unless something is done to repair a lot of the damage that the mind set of a majority of the population has done.

It's like when you break up with someone. It's usually because of a load of tiny things that they do or say that individually aren't that bad but all together for 3 years and you want to kill them and hide the body (that was a joke, relax). Now imagine that on a national scale. There is a lot of work needing done, and things like this can hopefully become a thing of the past but until then I think people need reminding that this is in fact a complex world. But they are no simple explanations unfortunately.

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PaulyG_fill in ...
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I don't think we should start to justify why those kids are waving guns. Sure, they're pissed off at the United States, and they have every right to be. But then what? Do we start to justify why that guy killed all the people at Virginia Tech? I'm sure there are lots of like-minded people who think that he had every right to do what he did.

But you're right, this is a complex world, and while I don't agree with most American decisions since 9/11, we can't start to blame them for all the world's woes.

pixelbomb1's picture
pixelbomb1
2555 pencils

PaulyG question: If someone comes in your house rape your wife/daughter set your house on fire and you find out who did it or responsible for it what do you do?
are you just gonna let them walk away? or you gonna let them do it again to your neighbor and the next town. are you gonna stop them? then they know they got your balls and not do anything about it and this time they are coming back with more friends.

Sincerely,
Arnold Santillan
714-206-2459

Disco Munky's picture
Disco Munky
3900 pencils

Who's going around America raping all your women?

Perspective. Get some.

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PaulyG_fill in the blank's picture
PaulyG_fill in ...
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pixelbomb1, what on earth are you talking about? What's your argument here? Sounds like you're justifying this guy killing 31 people because he was pissed off. Or are you justifying the actions of the United States since 9/11? Doesn't sound like your comment was meant for me because I didn't say anything that should piss anybody off.

mk86's picture
mk86
84 pencils

I agree the ad sucks, and you're right, this is exploitation of a horrible event. But, and perhaps I'm seeing this ad too late (given that you commented on 2007 and many many shootings have happened in the US since then) - but American or not, you can't disagree that the whole concept of school shootings happens only in the US. A few statistics here and there in other countries doesn't count, this is a TREND in America. Kids in the middle east who wave guns do so because those are the ones who are not educated. The educated kids don't own guns because they're not allowed, so it comes down to the law, and culture. But yes this ad is terrible.

Meg

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JLathrop
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It doesn't matter if the shooter was born here or just moved here last month. This ad is tasteless and ill-timed. The newspaper "simplifies" this event by blaming US citizens (that's how I read this. I could be wrong). I had nothing to do with this young man and his anger. My family had nothing to do with it.

Comparing George W. Bush to Homer Simpson is funny. It's even satire. Comparing all US citizens to the shooter is poking an open wound in the US just because someone doesn't like the US. And implying that we deserve this insult because of other tragic school shootings, well, what country in this world is perfect? Shall we talk genocide, rape, mutiliation, AIDS? Your comparison is uncalled for.

And before you cast stones about who writes well and who doesn't in the language we are using on this forum (English, generally) based on a mistyping, make sure your entry is flawless yourself ("to be informed before to say an opinion"). Personal attacks on someone's grammer doesn't make this an intellegent conversation of this ad. It makes it a pissing match.

Cron187's picture
Cron187
553 pencils

This ad is just as bad as the Lego "rebuild it" ad where they used Hurricane Katrina to promote their product. To suggest that America is to blame for this horrible event is outragious. The guy was crazy before he came to this country. This is like suggesting that New Orleans had something to do with Hurricane Katrina. Not only does this ad place the blame on innocent people, but it also helps give the killer even more fame which is what he so desperately wanted.

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Bob_sacamanno
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As bad as the american people may seen, I hated this ad. Narrow minded, ugly art direction and worst timming ever!

postman's picture
postman
951 pencils

These ads are just giving extremely simple explanations for certain people's behaviour. The other five just make fun of a politician whose behaviour may be discussed. They don't blame anyone and you won't take them seriously.
This one is way off because in some way it blames American society or whatever for a massacre.

So, while most other newspapers and magazines claim to inform the reader "in depth", this one says: "It's that easy. Full stop." I wonder if that's good. At least, it's funny in the other five. Maybe it's just honest.
But this ad offends people. Giving such a simple explanation to a non-discussable massacre and blaming the reader for several people's death is just wrong.

Barbz's picture
Barbz
93 pencils

Sorry, but this ad is just wrong. The other ones are funny, this is out of line.

B128's picture
B128
392 pencils

This is reality. The story's still hot and they took the opportunity.
I wonder if you guys would be saying the same if this had happened in Africa e.g. Mugabe kills 100ppl, or if they had used the Sudan President for what's happening in Darfur.

A. J. SMITH's picture
A. J. SMITH
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Thats the best point anyone has made in this whole debate.

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Shut Theory's picture
Shut Theory
515 pencils

why be wondering? remember the volkswagen bomber ad? i bet u most of them still think its OKAY!

ivan's picture
ivan

That ad wasn't approved by Volkswagen. That puts into a totally different domain.
http://adsoftheworld.com/media/tv/vw_polo_spoof

Ivan Raszl, admin of AotW

TheVinchiFish's picture
TheVinchiFish
86 pencils

Wow, i told before. Choosing topic is the crucial point of Newspaper's Ad idea.
Specially this one. Virginia Tech is sensitive one. Look at the comments here. Bomb!
Actually this campaign is done. Not a brilliant one!

Pouts's picture
Pouts
691 pencils

WOW!! great debate here. I would agree that this is a wrong ad, i really love the other 3 of the campaign
but this one hits something really sensitive and recent maybe it's not the right timing. However Ucle Sam has something to do with this Psycho killer.
You see in USA there are still people who fight for the GUN law i even read in a magazine that the supporters of the Gun law claim that if everyone had a gun we wouldn''t be in front of this massacre because someone else would ahve shoot him first. What a Lovely JUNGLE LAW!!.
Once more the timing is wrong but the message might be correct cause this Psycho guy was raised in the States and propably became a psycho through his experience. This is a big discussion and maybe it sould be transfered at the Dungeon.

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Ndukwe Onuoha
149 pencils

Beyond selling the paper though, I think what this ad has done is to make people as questions. I mean, just read through all the comments, and you'll discover that the ad is thought-provoking. THAT is the only thing that makes this ad worth commenting. Personally, I feel using tha recent shoot-out is in bad taste, still one cannot run away from the fact that Americans are viewed as a set of careless gun-totting cowboys, who'll shoot up anything with the excuse that it's allowed by the constitution to bear arms.

Big ideas are often small

A. J. SMITH's picture
A. J. SMITH
2838 pencils

One thing is absolutely certain, this ad has provoked a totally fascinating debate.

I still don't think they should have done it to sell a newspaper.

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Minimum's picture
Minimum
1496 pencils

What everybody here seems to forget is that this advertisement has managed to do what it was supposed to. It got people talking. It got people arguing, crying, swearing whatever...but they did all these things while they mentioned the paper.

There is no such thing as bad publicity. They got all the media attention they wanted. They are hot media news now. Everybody goes out to see what this paper has to say.

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...and let the poets cry themselves to sleep. And all their tearfull words would turn back into steam

A. J. SMITH's picture
A. J. SMITH
2838 pencils

You think?

I'm not disagreeing with you, but in my personnal opinion, if a newspaper in my home country ran this ad, I wouldn't buy it, at least for a year or two, on the principal that they had used the current grief to sell the paper directly and in a biased way.

So for me, it does indeed get the media attention it wants, but it wouldn't get my custom, nor would it for a long time, and at the end of the day they want to sell the paper right?

I'm not naive enough to think any newspaper is truly unbiased, but when they pipe up and give an opinion just like that (Uncle Sam and what it stands for = Virginia tech massacre), it turns me right off.

I realise my argument has its flaws, but thats the way I feel.

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Minimum's picture
Minimum
1496 pencils

No problem, thats your opinion and I respect it. But I for sure know that if this ran here in Holland. Alot! of people would run to the stores the next day to see what all the fuzz was about. Alot of people would scream murder too, but that would give the ad alot of mediacoverage too. By that mediacoverage you instantly hear the name of said paper. Hence, the newspaper has advertisement on a couple hundred websites, newschannels and radiostations. All that for the cost of 1, yes 1! print ad.
The next step to make it perfect is to officialky apolagise and say that it indeed was distastefull bladiebla. They are ok now with the rest of the world. BLAMMO! huge media attention and succes.

I ask you, think for yourself. Name 6 foreign papers...and I bet that now since these ads, you'd put their name in those 6.
Thats the thing they want, fame. As there is no diffrence between fame and infame.

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...and let the poets cry themselves to sleep. And all their tearfull words would turn back into steam

A. J. SMITH's picture
A. J. SMITH
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Yeah, you're right, I can't name many, Le Monde in France... afraid thats about it, but yeah, now Milenio in Mexico would be in there too.

If they make a public apology, then this would be a very shreud marketting ploy! They get their credibility back, and have the media attention and public interest already in the bank. I can see the thinking there.

Good point.

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Shut Theory's picture
Shut Theory
515 pencils

i dont think there will ever be a good time to use such terrible events, i just dont understand that part of the dehuminizing advertising business!

Communion's picture
Communion
69 pencils

I just going t say:
Please to all americans, stay behind your borders, please!

keep all of you in home, dont go to vietnam, dont go to irak, dont go to palestina and please never come to Argentina!!!!

Dont let people in and dont let people out.

Please stay home safe, stay in your schools, if you stay home terrorism would disappear.
Its the only thing you have to do.

Disco Munky's picture
Disco Munky
3900 pencils

You're half right.

If they stayed home it would be better ; ) , but terrorism wouldn't disappear

Doin' it for the points

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esosa osagiede
50 pencils

THE AD-missionary

hELLO PEOPLE this thing is an ad,and pixelbomb1(what a name1)why are you taking this so personal do you know you ahve succeeded in selling this ad.

hey i AM LOVING IT!

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