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Shawali's picture
Shawali
8421 pencils

You gotta be shitting me....

No one cares about child labor, eye donation or saving the Earth: NO PSA!!! http://adsoftheworld.com/forum/135094

Hadrons's picture
Hadrons
5991 pencils

It's one thing to produce such a hideous print campaign, but for AoTW to present it - it's simply bad taste & offensive.
Please remove them both.

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vote4pedro's picture
vote4pedro
4601 pencils

Personally, I find censorship more offensive than even the most offensive ad. These are bad ads. But it's better to simply say so and move on.

Hadrons's picture
Hadrons
5991 pencils

A good portion of my extended family was brutally murdered by this leprous-poxy-piece-of-oozing-shit monster in a way the devil himself wouldn't have.
Piece-of-shit is actually waaay too nice, but I cant think of a worse epitaph right now.

No I can NOT let it go, nor move on.

People just 'letting it go' contribute to this horror happening again.

If Ivan (Hungarian? Didn't that other murderous steaming turd take out some of *your* family???), doesn't show a minimal respect or sensitivity and shitcan these vomitous ads, I'll simply remove my self from his forum.

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vote4pedro's picture
vote4pedro
4601 pencils

It's always better show ideas, whether you agree with them or not. And allow others to voice their opinions on those ideas. If you simply remove them from sight, no one learns anything new. And ironically enough, censorship is what hitler would have reverted to.

mr.x's picture
mr.x
956 pencils

Totally agree with vote4pedro.

john ler's picture
john ler
665 pencils

vote4pedro : +1
Hadrons : - 100

Nike Diesel's picture
Nike Diesel
13389 pencils

vote4pedro

Shawali's picture
Shawali
8421 pencils

As much as I find this campaign stupid and out of touch, Ivan is just doing his job by putting it on the front page.

"letting it go" won't make Hitler happen again, it would just make people forget about this stupid campaign faster.

No one cares about child labor, eye donation or saving the Earth: NO PSA!!! http://adsoftheworld.com/forum/135094

stevel's picture
stevel
423 pencils

So it's Ivan's fault???? Are we supposed to remove everything that you find distasteful and offensive? There is PLENTY of advertising I find detestable, but I don't decry it's very existence. If the ad is so offensive, the company itself will pay big time. That's the WHOLE POINT of advertising.

ivan's picture
ivan

He did cause a lot of grief for my family, but it doesn't have to be my family. I feel the pain of any person or living being. But censorship of questionable material is not the answer. Openly talking about it could be. I could be wrong and if many are offended I can remove.

Ivan Raszl, admin of AotW

Nike Diesel's picture
Nike Diesel
13389 pencils

@ivan. I'm from a country where freedom of speech is one of the most valuable things in our life. That said, IMO do not take anything down because of strong presence of a neigh sayer. Keep it rolling, we need discussions about everything. Ads of the World for President!

Hadrons's picture
Hadrons
5991 pencils

Is your lame ability to process is a talent or were you born that way ?

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john ler's picture
john ler
665 pencils

Hadrons ! My dog was once killed in a hunting accident ! I find this very offensive :

http://cafe.themarker.com/image/1564644/

Please remove it immediately from your site.

simonds08's picture
simonds08
598 pencils

poor form pork_eater. comparing the extermination of someones family to a dog is adding insult to injury.

Hadrons's picture
Hadrons
5991 pencils

thanks for "having" my back.

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Eugens's picture
Eugens
2630 pencils

It's a smart ad, and it has won awards. This is advertising, lighten up. It's not advertising hitler, it's advertising a vodka that's been turned into something good from something bad, by distilling it 6 times. Censorship is the worst thing that can exist on this planet, and it's in its shadow that the worst crimes are committed, So please, Ivan, don't censor these ads, or any other that depict dictators, satan, boobs and anything else some people might feel offended by.

_tj_'s picture
_tj_
133 pencils

So the message is, 'we start with shit and distill it into a drinkable product'?

Awful.

Hadrons's picture
Hadrons
5991 pencils

I see no cpu here. shame. again, second time you expose your ignorance and lack of understanding - find another job.

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jujocd's picture
jujocd
759 pencils

worst

tillfu's picture
tillfu
74 pencils

Twisted minds - bad taste - provocation just for the sake to provoke - benetton tried this in the 80ies and failed. This is not advertising, it´s just an insult. Not creative but
boring and dull. If it wasn´t an insult to millions of victims ( the same goes for the Stalin ad ) one could just wonder how much of the stuff the "creatives" drank themselves before producing such sh.t, but regarding the historical background those guys should leave advertising and get some sense - again, they are insulting lots of people with this.

Jackbr's picture
Jackbr
1431 pencils

Deva ju.

Jack

Roger Keynes's picture
Roger Keynes
5498 pencils

Nyet.

Will Think for Salary

Prasad Weerasekara's picture
Prasad Weerasekara
638 pencils

OhooooooooooooooOOOOOOOO...........!!!

Hadrons's picture
Hadrons
5991 pencils

THIS IS AN OPEN LETTER TO IVAN

Dear Ivan ,

Shit excreted by an advertising firm is still shit. Just because the shit is packaged as "advertising" (with clear, see thru windows) doesn't make it advertising.

Why *won't* you sift better?
There are still things in this world of little-to-no values and ethics that fall beyond the pale.
You should know better.

You could have PC denied the ad, but you choose silence that has insulted and offended me and my other friends.
This silence reminds me, of the same attitude the world took on while millions of my people were butchered.

Upon posting these ads, you could have immediately added your comments disavowing both of them as horrendous perversions of our profession.

Besides the fact that you hurt my feelings, you also opened your forum for nasty remarks.

Sorry, as much as I liked your forum - it's your lack of understanding and sensitivity - I can't bear to hang around here right now.

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ivan's picture
ivan

It was never my intention to hurt you or anybody. Accept my apology.

Terrible things are out there in the world and we won't get rid of them by burying or censoring them away. We have to talk about them and occasionally remember them to make sure we don't forget so it never happens again.

Dictators and killers are used frequently in advertising. Advertising has always been pushing boundaries and breaking taboos. I believe showcasing such campaigns and opening them up for discussion is beneficial to the industry and to the society in general.

Ivan Raszl, admin of AotW

Eugens's picture
Eugens
2630 pencils

Please don't bow down to censorship. There are enough fights going on these days against ACTA, SOPA, PIPA and all the other repression instruments that corporations and government are trying to use to decide what we watch, read and consume.

Spanky's picture
Spanky
4901 pencils

Censorship is never the answer. Personally, I don't think this is a particularly good ad. But I appreciate you posting it.

Hadrons's picture
Hadrons
5991 pencils

Ivan -
your apology is nothing but lip service.

A man is measured by his deeds and actions. Not his words. Sorry.

If you really want to start a philosophical argument - you'd lose. (why?)
There are fortunately still things in this world that override “freedom of speech”. If there weren’t, “freedom of speech” would end up slitting your throat.

The right to freedom of speech is limited when it conflicts with other people’s rights (see Limitations on Freedom of Speech in the Human Rights in the 1st of Bill of Rights, among other places)
Values like honor for life, as well as the obligation NOT to hurt other people under the excuse of "freedom".

However, greater latitude is given when criticism of mass killers are involved. You crossed the line by allowing it to be showcased.
I was repelled by your choice of presenting these ads, especially after the fact you asked my opinion whether to remove another bad ad...

This double standard is not something I thought I'd find in a professional site.

How about the next scenario:
A man comes in to your house and (G-d forbid) butchers your wife and children. He is caught, tried and convicted on national tv. A few years down the line, some shitty ad agency uses his mug to turn into a laundry detergent that removes all those stains, including blood, as well as leaving a nice fragrance behind. Is this creative enough for you???
For many others, this is sterile news, perhaps even humorous. For you and millions of others, this is a knife in the heart.

If your apology were really sincere, you would remove those hideous “ad”s, make a site-level post for all of your users to see about this, and you would sift future submissions to follow a higher level.

To all my friends here that made a point in writing to me and who showed their support for my fight - Thank you again.
It is always nice to have friends even if they are only avatars...

Special thanks to TILL FUHRMEISTER. Your words gave me a perspective I did not expect to hear. Never underestimate the power of a word or a gesture. Thank you.

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somecopywriter's picture
somecopywriter
1106 pencils

You had the option to stay away and never look at these ads again. Just be gracious and accept Ivan's apology. And if you no longer want to come to this site, start your own. I come from a country that has also had to go through many years of horrible oppression, which is exactly why I see censorship as a great evil. It is also the reason I love the fact that you can choose what you want to see online; uncensored and unbiased.

Hadrons's picture
Hadrons
5991 pencils

When I'll want your opinion, Gary, I'll give it to you. And I mean that in a caring way.

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vote4pedro's picture
vote4pedro
4601 pencils

No apology was needed. Ivan did nothing wrong. This is his blog. He posts ads to show what is out there, both good and bad. I, along with thousands of others, appreciate the effort he puts into this. As it stands, you clearly owe him an apology.

Spanky's picture
Spanky
4901 pencils

For what it's worth, you are completely overreacting. These ads portray Hitler and Stalin as bad people. Using them was a poor choice, but if they are offensive, they are unintentionally so. Before you claim I say you're overreacting to the murder of millions of people, or whatever rhetorical comment you're about to make, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you're overreacting to a cartoon of Hitler and a bunny rabbit.

Nike Diesel's picture
Nike Diesel
13389 pencils

@Hadrons please go to another forum with this stuff.

raef's picture
raef
8 pencils

One reading your comments thinks that YOU are so humanitarian. you always bring the holocaust up and keep forgetting what you are doing in Gaza and All of Palestine and southern Lebanon. Holocaust maybe be a troy story and maybe not. and in case it was a true it happened for 4 years during WWII but ever since then you are doing your own holocaust on daily basis on the Palestinian children, women and men . and each 4 years you invade Lebanon and destroy it over and over again. so drop the act and judge the ad on the basis of the concept and visual and not upon you personal background.

stevel's picture
stevel
423 pencils

You're still missing the point Hadrons. None of us want to visit a site that has been vetted by one person, or multiple people for that matter.

While this is his site and he can do what he pleases, he recognizes that AOTW should remain a TRULY OPEN forum where we, as a collective, are allowed to decide what we like and do not like. No one person has the right to make that decision for us.

I, for one, support you Ivan.

tytpol's picture
tytpol
776 pencils

It seems to be a part of popculture now - http://adsoftheworld.com/search/aotw/hitler
More important for me is that it have been done to death (sic). Wahtever is that Hitler, Stalin or Obama - they're symbols, icons. You can't do anything about it.
After all it's better to remember than to forget. This is weak ad. Next one.

Nike Diesel's picture
Nike Diesel
13389 pencils

+1

mr.x's picture
mr.x
956 pencils

Hadrons - I can't understand your pain, it would be an insult to say that I do. It is beyond terrible what happened to your people. But you as an advertiser should encourage total openness.

MicheleVirgilio's picture
MicheleVirgilio
2617 pencils

I'm agree with Ivan

Abhishek Parikh's picture
Abhishek Parikh
568 pencils

Too much weightage is being given to this stupid ad. Next please.

tirthomitro's picture
tirthomitro
2764 pencils

let's all just forget this ad ever happened.
flush it like you flush your dump in the morning.

they showed me a picture & i laughed
dignity has never been photographed

JKW's picture
JKW
227 pencils

Personally I think it's a pretty cool ad -clear, to the point with a humorous twist.

somecopywriter's picture
somecopywriter
1106 pencils

Makes Hitler look like a silly old fart and the product look cool. I don't see what makes this different from any other ad that features a dictator. Well done.

Tejónidas's picture
Tejónidas
244 pencils

Hadrons relax, it's just an ad, it's not WW3
I'm with Ivan too

Billoughsby's picture
Billoughsby
5091 pencils

Yes, we get "6 times distilled" from this, loud and clear. -- But so what? -- At what cost? It's a culturally tone-deaf and ham-fisted ad.

(The censorship I believe in is so-called self-censorship -- the person writing and making art having some common sense and decency. Failing that, we call shit shit and hope for the best the next time out.)

"Ubi hubave lubearned thubat ubanuby fubool cuban wrubite uba bubad ubad, bubut thubat ubit tubakes uba rubeal gubenubiubus tubo kubeep hubis hubands uboff uba gubood ubone."
-Lubeo Buburnubett

Cheerriiee's picture
Cheerriiee
952 pencils

I think concept is rather good.

dsklan's picture
dsklan
1927 pencils

i must say its kind of clever...

Nike Diesel's picture
Nike Diesel
13389 pencils

But it's not. From bad to good is not the newest concept in the World.

tillfu's picture
tillfu
74 pencils

I think you are loosing the point here - and You really should find the border between provocation and non pc and insult. And there are borders, no matter how hard You argue with the freedom of the internet. Of course advertising is supposed to be open for all, but still there´s a point where the total freedom of one person/group starts to limit/destroy the freedom of another one.
By the way the concept is far from beeing good. Hitler for example : you become, after distilling shit ( Hitler ) 6 times a bad joke and neither Hitler was a joke nor the vodka is. And Stalin ? He becomes santa so gets from a blood dripping maniac to a saint ( ?? ) and the vodka after distillation becomes what ? Holly water ? Hm. The concept is simply bad - and exchangable - not worthy to discuss actually except that your hurt lots of people with this. What´s next ? A snuff movie as an ad ? Child abuser, rapist ( oh we had this before several times - still bad ads ) ....what..in the name of total freedom ? No doubt that censorship is totally wrong and I love political uncorrect ads ( the world needs more ) but again there is a border ! And no, I don´t define that border but maybe human rights do or respect and dignity do ?

Eight's picture
Eight
148 pencils

I smell here vomit , oh it's coming from bad creativity. Fu#k all the hatred remarks here, this is no advertising, lousy print. no concept.
I bet most of the people here are fallout

dfauver's picture
dfauver
7 pencils

Hadrons sentiments, I'm sure, pervade the market place. That would be the final test of our efforts. This vodka doesn't stand a chance with thousands and thousands of people. Remember, the client picked this campaign to run. Might be a great insight to see the runner-up campaigns.

vasilissa's picture
vasilissa
16 pencils

I think considering the sense , culture and values of the general public is something unavoidable when making an advertisement. In that point, Hadrons has a valid reason to question this ad. But further to that forcing the admin to remove it from this blog doesn't make any sense. It's bit of odd and out of the track. The ad has been published on the media and it's public's responsibility to agree with it or reject it. That should be dealt with the Vodka company I guess. I also believe that Ivan some far should have a personal choice in his blog and he has shown enough politeness and mercy to the offenders.

hpplacra's picture
hpplacra
21 pencils

WTF?? This girl Hadrons cries rivers because of Hitler. Really?
he killed many... so what.
Should we Ban Geroge W Bush picture because thanks to him many americans and irakies died?
There has been massacres 20 times bigger than the holocaust all around the world but I don't see such a big mktg campaign as the one the Israelis did.
Move on and don't censor anything. If you don't like, go check something else.

lorenzospio's picture
lorenzospio
20 pencils

The message is a bit harsh, but awesome anyway!

ancianelo's picture
ancianelo
8 pencils

Ivan, please refuse any pressure to censor your site. Hadrons should know that free of speech is the best possible weapon against tirany (Hitler was burning books that considered offensive), how do they expect people to know about the holocaust if there is no liberty of talking about it? asking a public site to remove an ad because it uses a despicable semi-human as an analogy its the perfect way to start and the next step is that you dont publish anything because you are afraid of hurting feelings.
I agree with Ivan, keep the site censorship free.
Hadrons, move on or move out, i think that not accepting Ivan´s apology only talks about you own lack of tolerance.

AOTW should remain a TRULY OPEN forum.

And by the way, i think the ad sucks, big time.

ivan's picture
ivan

I won't censor anything but personal attacks. It's ok to attack ideas of people, not ok to attack people. I want a pleasant environment for creatives.

For example it's OK to say this:
"Using Hitler in an ad is awful and insensitive"

NOT OK to say this:
"You're a fool, you should quit advertising"

Ivan Raszl, admin of AotW

weigehao126's picture
weigehao126
37 pencils

The dry land?

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