Pixelbomb1, Your work appears to be design led...it's of a high standard but with very little creativity. This forum is used for advertising critique if we wanted to see work like this this we could open the nearest generic magazine or brochure.
Sorry but people here want to see idea driven work. Right?
Trust me if i were to do this ads it would be different. But the people I work for PAYS ME. And I make them HAPPY. the bottom line is... I do my job with thier liking. I get Paid and they are happy. If I argue with them It will be an ad that will never finish. I worked with art directors before that are so picky.
I cannot live under pressures from patrons, let alone paint.
-- Michelangelo, quoted in Vasari's Lives of the Artists
There's a big difference. As for clients that don't know the difference between quality creative and junk -- poor them! You get what you pay for, even in advertising. At some point, you throw your hands up, shake it off and move on.
Submitted by fredsters_s on Sun, 2007-12-30 16:52.
the design for both ads is poor - look at the spacing (or lack of) for the different elements in the steak ad. apart from that, I like the steak ad idea.
Well, from a design perspective, which is all these can really be graded by...
The balance and use of positive and negative space needs much more attention.
The visual heirarchy of the ads are muddled and confusing for the most part.
The type has had very little attention to some very important details.
but, like you said, the client probably doesn't know the difference anyways.
Mate,
what we're striving for here is to give the client what they NEED not what they want - that's easy, you're just another supplier then. If you offer them great creative work - that yes, is hard but rewarding - then you become part of his business and he cannot just fire you and get some other lazy freelancer to do his work...
And if you're not that proud of it, why did you post it?
1. Client: I will tell them my idea and tell them that it's due today before lunch. needs be to uploaded to a
magazine. BTW I have a little budget on this project. (enough to pay rent)
2. Agency: Listen to the client, do what what they want done, GET PAID and MOVE ON. (NEXT.........)
It's sound sellout, but you have to do what you need to survive. I know designers are dime a dozen especially here in the Los Angeles area. It's dog eat dog world out there. Problem is, some creative people think that his/her work is better than the other person. So what, bottom line, who got paid and made the client happy. They will come back again. customer service.
Yup, no arguing with that, but what about when someone cheaper comes along - you're not a business partner, not adding any creative value, so you're not very important. And is it really customer service when you're only giving them the bare minimum for their money?
I say let it go. You spend your time making corrections making a masterpiece for what. I am sorry it is a harsh reality at the end of the day that creation of yours will become a recycled whatever it is. We try to please everybody that's the creative side of creative people, but at the end it's just business. TIME = MONEY.
WASTE (TIME) = WASTE (MONEY)
Trust me. I want to do a KICKASS job but, you have to weigh the situation. Is it worth it?
If the pay is golden then sure I have your undivided attention.
I worked with an art director dang he's picky. add 2% magenta to the lettuce. I said DUDE we've been here for 3 hours, this is going be a blow-in in a sunday paper no parents gonna look at it and say wow this lettuce should been more greener. C'mon 65lpi it's gonna be off-registration when they sheet feed it anyways and 2 seconds later? RECYLING BIN. Now you're here. Tommorow you're gone. ENJOY LIFE, DRINK COKE.
pixelbomb, do mean to say- you do admit to the fact that
all of the work you post in here aren't worth discussing?
That they are all client dictated ads? Then what is the point for your defending them?
That you did not post them for creative and constructive improvement?
Thank you, but I'm not up to it, however stupid my comments are (Tricky, r u there man?)!!!
keep trying man keep producing man
if you dont try you cant find out but you gotta dig real deep di gdi gdig if not look up to the skies and dream but dream dont just seee
keep dreamin until you see it once you see it then you have dugged your way up
sunset these cos these are just dust in your head of what you saw in your reality growing and absorbing all those years
i am sure you can do better these do not come from you it shows it s an edit of ideas and thoughts mixed with old memories
Submitted by walk-the-talk on Tue, 2007-01-16 08:56.
TRICKY, YOU ARE A PAIN IN THIS FORUM'S BUTT! You are using this forum as an excuse to have an argument with just about anybody. It should be the other way around. Argue with everybody to better ads in this forum. Thank you.
Submitted by walk-the-talk on Tue, 2007-01-16 08:56.
TRICKY, YOU ARE A PAIN IN THIS FORUM'S BUTT! You are using this forum as an excuse to have an argument with just about anybody. It should be the other way around. Argue with everybody to better ads in this forum. Thank you.
Submitted by Dr. Octogon on Thu, 2007-01-25 15:27.
It's pretty hard to believe that either of these ads ever ran for a real client. In fact, it's pretty hard to believe you work in advertising at all. Certainly your casual dismissal of the benefits of hard work fly in the face of what any heavily-awarded creative director will tell you. Simply put, doing great work is nothing but hard work. Perhaps, if you invested a little more time in your work, you'd earn a lot more praise on this site, and quite possibly, a lot more money.
Thanks for the comment doc. None of these ads ran in any media at all. It's a long story some of the people here remembers it. And I don't need praise from anybody.
p.s. i will take your advice since you're the doctor who knows it all.
Not when you're supposedly a professional and submitting ads this bad. Guy's useless. Maybe Pixel you could learn from your 'AD' and put a gun to your own head. Lotsa luv.
Hey you know what dave.. c'mon man you don't have to be that crude. put a gun to my head what kind of crap is that? c'mon be nice I have not done anything wrong to you.
That is why the world will never see peace. somebody needs to create a "piece that will give peace" but you can never please everyone. So keep on rockin on a free world.
That is why the world will never see peace. somebody needs to create a "piece that will give peace" but you can never please everyone. So keep on rockin on a free world.
Just found comments from both you and pixel where you rip into somebody for their poor english (Vibe) - nice, not sure what other languages you speak, but it's probably his third. Get yourself a gun too son. I'm sick of Pixels stupid arrogant comments, when all he shows is dog shit design with no conceptulising. And his ad above had the man with a gun to his head, I was just feeding off his so called work.
Submitted by the_ashlands on Thu, 2007-01-25 19:53.
so you dont consider your recent comments to be stupid or arrogant then, huh? almost every comment you leave is laced with insults with no virtually no insight concerning the ad itself.
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Pixelbomb1, Your work appears to be design led...it's of a high standard but with very little creativity. This forum is used for advertising critique if we wanted to see work like this this we could open the nearest generic magazine or brochure.
Sorry but people here want to see idea driven work. Right?
Trust me if i were to do this ads it would be different. But the people I work for PAYS ME. And I make them HAPPY. the bottom line is... I do my job with thier liking. I get Paid and they are happy. If I argue with them It will be an ad that will never finish. I worked with art directors before that are so picky.
I cannot live under pressures from patrons, let alone paint.
-- Michelangelo, quoted in Vasari's Lives of the Artists
There's a big difference. As for clients that don't know the difference between quality creative and junk -- poor them! You get what you pay for, even in advertising. At some point, you throw your hands up, shake it off and move on.
People actually pay you for that rubbish?
Right, the design is good, but the idea is missing!
the design for both ads is poor - look at the spacing (or lack of) for the different elements in the steak ad. apart from that, I like the steak ad idea.
We'll Thank You.
Well, from a design perspective, which is all these can really be graded by...
The balance and use of positive and negative space needs much more attention.
The visual heirarchy of the ads are muddled and confusing for the most part.
The type has had very little attention to some very important details.
but, like you said, the client probably doesn't know the difference anyways.
Mate,
what we're striving for here is to give the client what they NEED not what they want - that's easy, you're just another supplier then. If you offer them great creative work - that yes, is hard but rewarding - then you become part of his business and he cannot just fire you and get some other lazy freelancer to do his work...
And if you're not that proud of it, why did you post it?
pbomb: Assuming you are the client as well as the agency, how would you have tackled that brief?
Post *that* result, then there'll be more to talk about.
1. Client: I will tell them my idea and tell them that it's due today before lunch. needs be to uploaded to a
magazine. BTW I have a little budget on this project. (enough to pay rent)
2. Agency: Listen to the client, do what what they want done, GET PAID and MOVE ON. (NEXT.........)
It's sound sellout, but you have to do what you need to survive. I know designers are dime a dozen especially here in the Los Angeles area. It's dog eat dog world out there. Problem is, some creative people think that his/her work is better than the other person. So what, bottom line, who got paid and made the client happy. They will come back again. customer service.
http://www.gecko9.com/whenigrowup.html
Yup, no arguing with that, but what about when someone cheaper comes along - you're not a business partner, not adding any creative value, so you're not very important. And is it really customer service when you're only giving them the bare minimum for their money?
I say let it go. You spend your time making corrections making a masterpiece for what. I am sorry it is a harsh reality at the end of the day that creation of yours will become a recycled whatever it is. We try to please everybody that's the creative side of creative people, but at the end it's just business. TIME = MONEY.
WASTE (TIME) = WASTE (MONEY)
Trust me. I want to do a KICKASS job but, you have to weigh the situation. Is it worth it?
If the pay is golden then sure I have your undivided attention.
I worked with an art director dang he's picky. add 2% magenta to the lettuce. I said DUDE we've been here for 3 hours, this is going be a blow-in in a sunday paper no parents gonna look at it and say wow this lettuce should been more greener. C'mon 65lpi it's gonna be off-registration when they sheet feed it anyways and 2 seconds later? RECYLING BIN. Now you're here. Tommorow you're gone. ENJOY LIFE, DRINK COKE.
Ok, cool, but why did you post the ads on a site that is devoted to the appreciation and strive for creativity then?
because I can. And it's a FREE WORLD. we'll in some country it's not.
No one wants to see a ugly gallon. If this is 100% orange juice show how it taste in a creative kind. whats’s in for me?
Excuse my english. But it’s better than my chinese. ;-)
hey klauss where is the misses?
btw check the link below I squeezed the OJ into the jug.
http://adsoftheworld.com/files/Tomasz_Rybak_BA1.jpg
umm...your not going to find any work with stuff like that!
what about my copywright? thief
look i did not change your name on the file
what about my agreement?!delete it, please
done.
thank you.
play nice... neither are worth arguing over
pixelbomb, do mean to say- you do admit to the fact that
all of the work you post in here aren't worth discussing?
That they are all client dictated ads? Then what is the point for your defending them?
That you did not post them for creative and constructive improvement?
Thank you, but I'm not up to it, however stupid my comments are (Tricky, r u there man?)!!!
keep trying man keep producing man
if you dont try you cant find out but you gotta dig real deep di gdi gdig if not look up to the skies and dream but dream dont just seee
keep dreamin until you see it once you see it then you have dugged your way up
sunset these cos these are just dust in your head of what you saw in your reality growing and absorbing all those years
i am sure you can do better these do not come from you it shows it s an edit of ideas and thoughts mixed with old memories
Tricky, are you on crack?
i smell jalousy here darling
if you ask nicely i might give you my dealer's phone number ;p
TRICKY, YOU ARE A PAIN IN THIS FORUM'S BUTT! You are using this forum as an excuse to have an argument with just about anybody. It should be the other way around. Argue with everybody to better ads in this forum. Thank you.
TRICKY, YOU ARE A PAIN IN THIS FORUM'S BUTT! You are using this forum as an excuse to have an argument with just about anybody. It should be the other way around. Argue with everybody to better ads in this forum. Thank you.
next time just press post comment (once)
It's pretty hard to believe that either of these ads ever ran for a real client. In fact, it's pretty hard to believe you work in advertising at all. Certainly your casual dismissal of the benefits of hard work fly in the face of what any heavily-awarded creative director will tell you. Simply put, doing great work is nothing but hard work. Perhaps, if you invested a little more time in your work, you'd earn a lot more praise on this site, and quite possibly, a lot more money.
Thanks for the comment doc. None of these ads ran in any media at all. It's a long story some of the people here remembers it. And I don't need praise from anybody.
p.s. i will take your advice since you're the doctor who knows it all.
hey pixel bomb everyone thinks that advertising is either their way or no way lolololololololol yup yup keep commenting
Not when you're supposedly a professional and submitting ads this bad. Guy's useless. Maybe Pixel you could learn from your 'AD' and put a gun to your own head. Lotsa luv.
Hey you know what dave.. c'mon man you don't have to be that crude. put a gun to my head what kind of crap is that? c'mon be nice I have not done anything wrong to you.
Please sober up. Thank you.
That is why the world will never see peace. somebody needs to create a "piece that will give peace" but you can never please everyone. So keep on rockin on a free world.
That is why the world will never see peace. somebody needs to create a "piece that will give peace" but you can never please everyone. So keep on rockin on a free world.
Gone through your comments, gone through your submissions. I stand by what I said. Now pull the trigger surf nazi.
wow...if i could only boot you from this site...
there is just no need to post comments like that. grow up.
Just found comments from both you and pixel where you rip into somebody for their poor english (Vibe) - nice, not sure what other languages you speak, but it's probably his third. Get yourself a gun too son. I'm sick of Pixels stupid arrogant comments, when all he shows is dog shit design with no conceptulising. And his ad above had the man with a gun to his head, I was just feeding off his so called work.
so you dont consider your recent comments to be stupid or arrogant then, huh? almost every comment you leave is laced with insults with no virtually no insight concerning the ad itself.
by the way...what comments are you referring to?
where's the beef?
it is not here
ha ha ha.
..ok i am shutting up now